It is for that reason that we are troubled by the misunderstanding of the doctrine of eliminative materialism that this dialogue is likely to engender. "Teacher" states that, according to eliminative materialism, "Mental experiences are all epiphenomenal or, as some say, inert" (p. 992). Eliminative materialism, put forth by the philosopher Richard Rorty (2), carries no such implication. Rather, it likens the concept of "mental" events to obsolete ideas, such as Zeus’s thunderbolts. Instead of asserting that Zeus’s thunderbolts are identical to discharges of electricity (lightning), we say that what were once considered Zeus’s thunderbolts are now thought of as electrical discharges. In our current discourse, there are no such things as Zeus’s thunderbolts; they have been eliminated. Similarly, for the eliminative materialist, mind can be seen as nothing more than body (i.e., neural events). Thus, rather than being identified with or reduced to body, mind can be eliminated—at least as far as scientific discourse is concerned. However, just as what used to be seen as Zeus’s thunderbolts can still be lethal, what is currently referred to as mind can certainly be—and clearly is—causally efficacious.